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Nov 14, 2011, 03:29 #1
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According to Rob Galbraith DPI, Adobe is changing their upgrade policy for their Photoshop and other Creative Suite applications. Basically, in the past, if you could purchase an upgrade license if you owned an existing version up to 3 versions back.

It seems though starting with CS6, you will need to own the previous major release i.e. CS5 and above (includes CS5.1, 5.5) to be eligible for upgrade - otherwise you'll need to fork out for a full version.

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content...1667-12100

Bit draconian if you ask me - I know plenty of people who tend to skip versions as there may not be enough to warrant an upgrade each time - especially for non-commercial or home users.


Nov 14, 2011, 05:14 #2
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I think that Photoshop is now so laden with bells and whistles that fewer and fewer people are keen to upgrade. As this is the Adobe flagship product and they count on ongoing revenues from it, they look for ways of making people fork out the money. Microsoft tried that with annual licensing for their software when it reached maturity. Desperate situations call for desperate measures.

Nov 14, 2011, 06:54 #3
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I frequently skip a version or 2. Check out educational discounts if you are or know a student.

Nov 14, 2011, 08:50 #4
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I infrequently skip about 5 versions..leaves me enough money to check out a student...Wink

Nov 14, 2011, 16:56 #5
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My annoyance is that CS3 does everything I need it to (and then some) and my D700 is supported by the accompanying version of ACR, but every time I use Lightroom's "edit in …" "open as layers" or "merge to panorama" I have to click through the nagware warning "the version might not be compatible…". Every single time.

It overshoots being enough of a nuisance to persuade me to upgrade and risks landing in "never give Adobe another cent" territory. If only it wasn't such an excellent program, I might be determined to work without it.

Nov 15, 2011, 09:44 #6
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Now that is a good point. CS2 is enough for me without a pc upgrade, and Lightroom 3(ahem, freebie courtesy of Leica) is useful...until it starts to lecture me when I try to combine the 2 into a seamless flow. Every sympathy.


Nov 15, 2011, 10:20 #7
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Actually...having a seamless workflow between PhotoShop and Lightroom was one of the key reasons why I updated to CS5 - it really is very nice.

The other thing I really like about CS5 is the new clone tool - which is very clever. It looks around the *target* area and clones/blends intelligently. The first time I used it, I was cloning pieces of a picket fence over a car, and I was amazed about how well it *understood* what I was trying to do, and aligned the pickets in one continuous flow. Again - really very nice.

I suppose what I am trying to say here is that there are valid reasons for upgrading your software once in a while, and I don't mind paying for it at an upgrade price point. I am distressed about this new policy, however. I think they should at least honor upgrade pricing 2-3 major versions back. I suppose that their belief is that PhotoShop is primarily used by design industry professionals who will pay the price without questioning it much. Sounds like a self fulfilling prophecy to me. If guys like us need to pay full price every time we upgrade, it moves from no-brainer territory into to a major purchasing decision.

Nov 15, 2011, 14:56 #8
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Toad Wrote:If guys like us need to pay full price every time we upgrade, it moves from no-brainer territory into to a major purchasing decision.
Exactly...

Off Adobe's website:

- CS5 Full - $699
- CS5 Upgrade - $199
- CS5 Subscription - $35/month ($420 a year)

Question now is, whether you want to pay $199 every year or two, or $699 every three to four years. You'll probably lean towards $199 and keep up with the features, which is exactly where Adobe wants you to be...

Oh and don't forget Lightroom too - that's another $99 upgrade or $299 full version decision. :/

Nov 15, 2011, 15:28 #9
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shuttertalk Wrote:You'll probably lean towards $199 and keep up with the features, which is exactly where Adobe wants you to be...
Maybe. Unfortunately this sort of pricing policy drives a lot of non-professional users into the dangerous realm of software piracy - even those people who would happily spend a couple of hundred bucks on an upgrade every few versions. $700 is a lot of money.

Nov 15, 2011, 21:18 #10
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Anyone tempted to jump to alternative products the next time round, instead of upgrading? Photoshop elements comes to mind - I've heard it's quite good and has the majority of the features most home users need. When I played with it a few versions back, it was missing stuff like layers and curves, but I believe they've added those things since.

Full price is $99 and $79 for upgrade - and actually if you're using a Mac, it's $85 in the app store, and less if you manage to snag itunes gift cards at a discount.

There's also stuff like Paint Shop Pro...

Nov 15, 2011, 22:33 #11
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No - can't do that. I've become quite accustomed to the power of PhotoShop and LightRoom. It will just make me upgrade less often - or alternately, have my student son do the purchasing...


Nov 16, 2011, 20:02 #12
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Elements are an 8 bit system 256 colors, while photoshop is I believe a 16 bit system (65 536 colors). This means that if you manipulate colors in Elements, your image quality deteriorates quickly. In Photoshop it takes more determined effort to screw up your colors. For me 8 bit system is not an option.

Nov 22, 2011, 21:01 #13
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More coverage of the drama here - this time with an open letter published by Scott Kelby
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2011/11/22/...eCriticism

I like one of the comments:

PhotoHawk Wrote:Let me get this straight - in my case I bought CS3, CS4 and I skipped CS5 because their wasn't a compelling reason to upgrade. The features of CS5 weren't dramatically better than CS4 is for me.

So now I get to pay $199 less 20% and then pay another $199 to upgrade to CS6? The full price of CS5 ia $699. So I guess my upgrade to CS6 is $159+$199=$358 if the upgrade price is still $199.

I think I paid just shy of $400 for CS3 and about $199 to upgrade to CS4.

Adobe I hope you price yourselves out of this market! I was going to upgrade to CS6 for which I would have paid the $199. But almost twice that - get real! I'll pass and I hope a lot of people do.
(if it's not apparent from previous discussions, Adobe is offering a 20% discount for customers on older versions to "catch up" to CS5, for the privilege of then upgrading to CS6 for $199.)

Nov 22, 2011, 21:39 #14
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I have a lot of respect for Scott Kelby - he is also the President of PhotoShop Professionals of America. If he is crying foul here and backhandedly suggesting that users stop purchasing PhotoShop to send a message, its a pretty bad policy.

I'll laugh every time that I hear of someone pirating this software if this policy goes through.






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