Jul 23, 2012, 11:09
(This post was last modified: Jul 23, 2012, 11:15 by slejhamer.)
Canon can finally compete with Sony! Yay!
I don't care for the aesthetics; looks too much like a Powershot S-model. Especially in silver or red. I'd have preferred a form factor more like that of the G1X, with buttons and dials, instead of a touch-screen menu. Just me.
But, in white ... with a red automotive racing stripe ... now that would be stylin'!
The EF-to-M mount adapter is going to be US$200? Seems spendy. But I guess that's a lot better than the aftermarket EF-to-NEX adapter. Haven't seen Canon's yet ... I wonder if it will change the focal length significantly.
Not sure about the need for a 22mm wide prime. I'd rather a "normal" (after the crop factor) 35mm f/2 ... now I'd have to get that AND the adapter. Does 22mm wide lend itself better to the alleged video-first marketing scheme?
The new EF-M zoom does nothing for me, with those apertures.
Assuming overall image quality is on par with other cameras using the same sensor, this could make a nice backup or grab-and-go alternative to my 60D. With the 35mm f/2 or 50mm f/1.4 or f/1.8, it would be great for indoor shooting and family get-togethers. A pancake EF-M 35 or 50 would be even better, if the optics are good.
Does it have the automatic sensor cleaning? I didn't see that spec. May have missed it.
In any case, I'll probably wait a generation or two ...
I really do not get this camera. Whom is this for? For those not into photography, why bother with 2 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) interchangeable lenses. Buy a decent fixed lens camera with a zoom. For those into photography, this camera seems to have all the controls of a P&S. It is not so small. Just like Sony's lenses, Canon's are not all that much smaller than those for a DSLR. What am I missing here. I would buy mirrorless and accept extra cost and limitations (compared to a camera I have), because I want something smaller. If it is not much smaller, what am I getting? I really do not get this camera.
Jul 24, 2012, 12:29
(This post was last modified: Jul 24, 2012, 12:32 by slejhamer.)
Pavel, what are your thoughts on the competition's offerings? I think this is certainly competitive with Sony, and obviously much less expensive than the retro looking Fuji X-Pro1. The Fuji had an initial lens group (35mm, 60mm macro, 18mm wide) that made more sense to me than Canon's.
Good points Pavel. I can't disagree with any of them.
However, I still think it's a bit premature to decide either way - seeing that it has just launched with 2 dedicated lenses, whereas M43 has had time build up a pretty comprehensive ecosystem.
If you compare it to when the M43 system was first introduced - it's pretty comparable to say what Olympus did with the E-P1. However, Canon are playing catch up now and maybe they haven't quite put their best foot forward.
I don't know what all the complaints are about.
Clearly this is designed as an entry-level camera. It is trying to offer "DSLR quality" while being as non-threatening and non-technical looking as possible. And I know several people (such as my father) who would see this as the perfect camera. They're already used to shooting via LCD screen, so no EVF is no problem. They want the security of a zoom lens (although if you can trick them into shooting a prime, they will probably learn to love it). They love the IQ of a DSLR, the flexibility of owning a couple of lenses, but they aren't interested in any of the manual controls or technical stuff. Look at the Panasonic GF2, GF3, and GF5. There is a market for them.
But the camera is not the real news here, the new EF-M mount is the real news. Canon don't just develop a new lens mount on a whim, so this is the real indicator of things to come. And judging the whole EF-M mount based on this single camera is like judging the entire EF mount based on a Rebel film camera. The camera does not do the system justice.
Obviously there will be more cameras to come, and obviously Canon will release bodies and lenses that appeal to more advanced shooters. But it makes little sense in releasing advanced bodies until there are at least a few more lens and accessory choices out there. Releasing entry-level bodies into such a market is not as much a problem, because those buyers are more likely to just want to stick with the kit lens. But by releasing a 22mm pancake prime as well, they're giving an indication of where they're heading with this system. They have seen just how important lenses like the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 have been in giving Micro Four Thirds the credibility it has (and differentiating it from advanced compacts and providing justification for interchangable lenses), and so they're taking a similar approach.
They've chosen to stick with the APS-C sensor format instead of going smaller, and while I prefer the benefits of a smaller sensor (mostly in smaller lenses), I can see sensible reasoning behind sticking with APS-C.
The full compatibility (via adapter) with EF-S and EF lenses is sensible (and expected). And I expect that will be a major selling point. Although I did notice that Kipon announced on the very same day as Canon that they have developed an EF adapter for MFT and NEX systems that allows electronic aperture control of EF lenses. That's a pretty exciting product for me, although note that it only provides aperture control, not AF, IS, or lens EXIF data.
But back to Canon...
It also makes no sense in announcing a bunch of different lenses and bodies all at once. Sure it will grab headlines, but they will soon fade. If you drip-feed new products to the public then you can grab headlines again and again, and really give consumers a sense that this system is expanding over time. Remember that this camera is just the very first step.
I don't know about you guys, but I think this is a really sensible entry into this market by Canon (unlike the train wreck system that Nikon released). The EF-M mount is full of potential and I can't see any fatal flaws.
It might be another year or two before Canon have a camera out that I would seriously consider for myself, but I think they're heading in the right direction. They've clearly learned a lot from Panasonic, Olympus, and Sony's experiences and applied the results to their own products. Really it's the lens selection that will determine my interest in this system. And given Canon's resources and history, they absolutely have the potential to become the dominant mirrorless player with the EF-M mount. But it won't be this particular camera that does it for them.
I thought that Ken Rockwell favored Brownies as the first pro grade mirrorless cameras.