[shuttertalk]

Hey just an interesting question - as soon as you mention the words "pro" and "photographer" - people fall down in awe and young girls start throwing knickers. (Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit).

What makes a "pro" photographer? At what point can you call yourself a "professional"? Is it your portfolio? Is it the job? Or the equipment?

[pai]

i guess the most straightforward answer is that a pro photographer is someone who takes photographs for a living (you can refine that to whatever percentage of total income you want)

as for "professional" in terms of attitude, skills or whatever, i'd rather not go there

[dewy]

people fall down in awe and young girls start throwing knickers.

Got my hopes up high for nothing and all I got was one very sore cheek =P as far as the answer to the question I would say when dewy is behind the camer there is a pro =P. Seriously, I belive you become professional when you step away from point and shoot, understand the basic terminology of photography and your skills earn you some money =)

[Rufus]

I belive you become professional when you step away from point and shoot, understand the basic terminology of photography and your skills earn you some money

Oh nonononononononono! No. Not.

[peter]

i reakon pro is when you have the experience and expertise of someone who has been in the business a long time.. as in not just knowsing how to shoot .. but knowing more about photography ... ie like lens specifics.. how things works.. technical know how .. and the skill to be able to take good photos.. all the time .. not just when you get lucky..

[dewy]

What? Why? Why is this dog so sensitive?

[peter]

cause he is a jack russel terrier ( i think )

[StudioJ]

I think it may have been your answer Dewy

A bit of a combination? Money may not be a part of becoming a professional but it depends on what area of photography you go into, some photographers take absolutely stunning shots but they don't consider themselves professionals.

If you want it to be the commercial sense it is definitely monetary gain and professional gear is something that accompanies that as well, so you need to spend money to make money. Professional attitude doesn't seem to come into it as much, it would be lovely if there were more professional photographers as far as conduct and personality goes.

J

[Rufus]

cause he is a jack russel terrier ( i think )

I could get to like you, Peter.

[dewy]

cause he is a jack russel terrier ( i think )

I could get to like you, Peter.

I tihnk their might be more to this story since he used that work could =P

Will you get to like me? hahaha

[Rufus]

Well, there's a question!! :o


Send me some money, and I'll think about it.

[dewy]

How about get to like me or I let every one in on the little secret about your real identity =P

[Rufus]

NO!

You must nt do that!!!! I dont want to cause panic! :o :o

[peter]

im sure youll be huring everyone if you were to reveil his true identity!
could it be that you have a bit of mongrel bred into you ?

[Rufus]

Excuse me?

I could grow to dislike you, Peter! :o

[Rufus]

I am NOT Tony Blair. :x

[peter]

haha .. i would never beleive that you have mongrel in you ..
but i mjust providing an example how shocked people may become if Dewy were to reveal secrects....

[Rufus]

I may be a member of the Royal family.
A famous politician,
A rock star,
A racing driver,
An astronaut,
A street sweeper,
A totally unknown small Terrier.

[Cailean]

Ok, so here's a twist on ST's original question...

Is there a difference between being a photography 'artist' and a 'professional'? Can you be one and not the other?

My take is this...

If you can create images to your own liking that are enjoyed and purchased by others, congratulations, you're an artist.

If you can create images to a client's liking that are then purchased by them, you are a professional photographer.

My hunch is that while most 'pros' are 'artists', not all 'artists' are 'pros'.

How does that sit with you pros out there?

[Petographer]

From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Professional
1 a : of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession
b : engaged in one of the learned professions
c (1) : characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession
(2) : exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace
2 a : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer>
b : having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier>
c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>
3 : following a line of conduct as though it were a profession <a professional patriot>

I do Not do photography full time for money, only part time. So I guess that can be classified as Semi-pro.

[Rufus]

Ok, so here's a twist on ST's original question...

Is there a difference between being a photography 'artist' and a 'professional'? Can you be one and not the other?

My take is this...

If you can create images to your own liking that are enjoyed and purchased by others, congratulations, you're an artist.

If you can create images to a client's liking that are then purchased by them, you are a professional photographer.

My hunch is that while most 'pros' are 'artists', not all 'artists' are 'pros'.

How does that sit with you pros out there?

Well, I'm a psuedo, quasi, nearly, almost, semi-pro, and I agree with you.
Furthermore, I would not want to be a pro, as I believe nearly all the fun would be lost. I say this because of my experiences as a musician, and the horrendous grief I experienced, which turned me off musicianship for years.

[dewy]

I think you can be artist because most 'professional' photosgrapers are paid to shoot certian tihngs not to just go off and take nice photos, I the a skillful hobiest (spelling?) would be the one to create artistic photos.

[StudioJ]

I like your spin on it Cailean, that sounds spot on. There are many professionals who aren't the least bit creative.

So what do we call someone that takes a technically brilliant piece that is rather empty and then turns this into a piece of art?

[de_axeman]

Seems to me like this is a moot argument. You can call yourself a professional, but under someone else's definition you may not be, and vice-versa.

But if you belonged to a government-recognised, or generally accepted body or professional organisation, which I think would probably be made up of people who rely on photography for a living, I suppose you call yourself a professional?

Or maybe if you just belonged to shuttertalk.com, you'd be a pro?

Howabout that for a T-shirt slogan?

I JOINED SHUTTERTALK.COM TO BECOME A PRO AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT!

[Cailean]

ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT!

Hey, if you've got lice, that's a whole different problem!!