Do you believe in a Pre-Trib Rapture???
Sounds like an exotic fruit punch!
Haven't really thought about it... guess I'm preoccupied with more present concerns...
As long as I get there in the end, I don't really care when I go...
'xplain, please. Reference specific verses if possible, thanks.
Cail, these are great, but I feel they both disprove the PTR. :/
Do we need to be concerned about these things
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adam Wrote:Do we need to be concerned about these things ?
No, I dont think so. Unless, that is, someone tries to teach you that you need n't prepare for diificulties because you'll be "spirited away".
That's what PTR teaches, and it's wrong. Wrong and dangerous. IMHO of course.
YMMV
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Rufus Wrote:Cail, these are great, but I feel they both disprove the PTR. :/
Hey, you're right... I hadn't really read them closely... (still haven't!!) The titles suggested that they were opposing views.... my bad.
I personally don't make decisions about how to live my life based on the possible outcomes and/or consequences (tribulations or otherwise). I try (and often fail) to do what I believe to be the right thing. 'Right' defined here as conforming to all those red words inthe Bible.
I try (and often fail) to do what I believe to be the right thing. 'Right' defined here as conforming to all those red words inthe Bible.
Right on!
I've heard many a debate and out and out fights about this subject. I came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter. Since its not exactly clear cut in favor of or against, I'll just take Jesus advice to watch for the signs and live each day like this could be the day He comes. You really can't lose and the argument becomes pointless.
.............watch for the signs and live each day like this could be the day He comes.
Wisdom. Yes.
Hard though................................ :o
Rufus Wrote:Hard though................................ :o
Whats hard?
........................live each day like this could be the day He comes
Rufus Wrote:........................live each day like this could be the day He comes
The way I see it life is hard wether you live it evil or good.If you have a real passion to live for Christ you'll be going in the right direction. Only He knows the intentions of your heart.
If your living your life counting each and every action as if it meant the difference between heaven or hell... well thats just plain impossible. Thats why Christ died for us.
absoultely the scripture clearly teaches it
tribulation is a time of jacobs trouble - to redeem israel
ive been teaching about it for 15 years
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Well after reading through this thread, I notice a couple of things I would like to mention
1] "A righteous man will fail 7 times" that is written in the book of proverbs,, which means in my opinion
7 is the number of completness........A righeous man will fail COMPLETLY.
but he will get up and repent, ... again!
2] Jesus said ( concerning His second coming)..............."He that hath this hope, purifieth himself"
Therefore,, let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid, Ye believe in God, believe also in me.
In other words.. Don't worry about it.. THE Sadduces and Pharasies had the bible (OT) practically memorized, yet when the Lord stood in front of them.. THEY WERE BLIND to the truth of the WORD.
IN THIS DAY AND AGE.. "we have it all figured out"............
but I know EXACTLY when Jesus is coming......... ALL THE CLUES are in the bible.
Jesus did say,, No man knoweth the exact day & hour of His return.. NOT HIM, NOT THE ANGELS
BUT ONLY our Father,.. Well, when you put ALL the clues together... Remember what Paul said??
of the times & seasons: be not ignorant ??
I know EXACTLY WHEN Jesus is coming.............He said so.....
a. When you least expect it
b As a theif in the night.
c. Any day now !
Maranatha !